IndyCar Mid-Ohio Sunday Press Conference
1st Charlie Kimball
2nd Simon Pagenaud
3rd Dario Franchitti
THE MODERATOR: We'll get started. We are pleased to be joined by Dario Franchitti of Target Chip Ganassi Racing.
This is Dario's sixth career podium here at Mid Ohio and his fourth consecutive top four finish this season.
Dario, great place, talk about bouncing back from that sixth place start to finish on the podium.
DARIO FRANCHITTI: Sure, yeah, the first order of business was really getting past Marco. He was on the Firestone Blacks and we were on the Reds, and obviously the performance of the Reds was a lot higher, so I had to get past Marco, got past him.
And then we were all kind of cruising around trying to I say cruising, you know, trying to save fuel and you're busting your ass because you're trying it to make up all the time in the corners and there's ways to do it and they end up carrying more corner speed than you would normally.
And so you're doing that as soon as Charlie pitted, it became clear that we were on the wrong strategy and how much quicker you could go if you let loose, so my guys made a decision, pretty brave decision I think, to change the strategy. They did it probably two or three laps before Scott's guys, and I think that made a huge difference to where we finished today, so they cut me loose there.
I was able to get past Justin, and then coming into the last stop there, Will was on worn tires and he got very close out of two and into four and was able to hold him off into four. And I think obviously he was saving fuel at that point, and then I could go hard. But at that point, the guys were so far ahead, there was though chance of catching them except for a yellow.
Could have been worse today. Could have been better, too. But as I say, brave call by the guys to change that strategy and that got us the podium. The GE car I thought was very fast all day, when we did get a chance to run it wide open.
And I have to say, Charlie and the Novo Nordisk guys did a fantastic job. They called the strategy right but also drove a cracking race, really good race, so hats off to him.
Yeah, that was it.
THE MODERATOR: Also invite Simon Pagenaud of Schmidt Hamilton Motorsports. This is his second consecutive podium here at Mid Ohio, great race.
Talk about today's race, as well as that pass with Charlie there towards the end.
SIMON PAGENAUD: Yeah, it was a good race with the HP car. Obviously we started with a pretty bold strategy starting on the Black Firestone tires. We knew we had a very consistent car, but the goal was to come back to the leaders at the end of the first stint, and then both on the new set of Red Firestone, we knew the car would be good on those tires.
And then my race was basically to go really, really fast on the second stint to try to jump the guys in front because it's really difficult to pass on the racetrack. The goal was to try to pass as many cars as possible doing that strategy, and we did.
So I think the fact that all those guys were saving fuel on the first stint really helped. From that moment on, it was just full attack mode the whole way. And you know, unfortunately Charlie and the Ganassi boys did a little bit more than when did. I gave had 100% but it just wasn't enough to cover it.
So, yeah, it is what it is. You know, I'll take second place. It's a good result for us. It's a good championship, also.
Yeah, Charlie, that move in turn four, wow, I never thought he would make it to be honest. Gave up my lead but, no, he made it, hats off. It's well deserved when you're making such a move and it works. It's well deserved; it's congratulations to him for such a good job.
Q. Since Pocono, Honda has really been laying hurting on the competition; talk about how this new generation engine has really got you guys back in the game.
SIMON PAGENAUD: Yeah, Honda has done a fantastic job for Pocono when they introduced the next generation engine. The engine has got a the low more power at lower RPMs. So it helps us especially on the road course, the drivability is fantastic. It drives like a normally aspirated engine. Actually on the debrief sheet, there's not much to say anymore, apart from power a lot more, but they are doing a fantastic job.
DARIO FRANCHITTI: Yeah, I definitely agree with Simon. That was a big step up in the engine. It probably didn't actually show as well as Pocono as far as pure performance of that boost level, but the fuel consumption was pretty good there with the 1, 2, 3 we got.
But they have really improved in a lot of areas we've asked them. A lot of the feedback from car to car and team to team has been very similar in what we've wanted, and the Honda guys have really answered a lot of questions for us.
We are still pushing; and we still want more, and I think we have seen it. When we make a step, Chevy make a step, and Chevy make a step 00 and just constantly pushing and that's what this competition is. I think that's one of the reason that Honda and Chevy are around in the sport; not only in power, drive ability, fuel mileage, all that stuff.
Lengthened the race by five laps this year, but unfortunately for the strategies and stuff, the engines, the fuel mileage, has improved a lot, too. So we found ourselves in that position again, almost being a fuel mileage race.
Q. Were you surprised by a caution free race, and how does that change strategy when you see the race going on and on you and don't get time to pit and do what you need to do to execute.
DARIO FRANCHITTI: Well, it's the second time it's happened here in two years. There's more of them nowadays, isn't there. There's less mechanical issues, guys making less mistakes. It's harder to push I don't know why. There was a couple of times I thought I was going to be the caution today, yeah.
There's very little margin for error here. But no, it can change the strategy and everything, but whether there's a caution or not, you've got to be ready to change your strategy at a moment's notice and I think that's what the good teams can do.
Q. Talk about Charlie, you've been around him now, talk about him as a driver and what it does you went for your first win way back when
DARIO FRANCHITTI: Easy.
Q. What does it do for a guy once you get over the hump, and his engineer, too.
DARIO FRANCHITTI: Well, when I first came to the team, Brad was my assistant engineer with Chris, so it was good to see him get that first win.
Charlie, his timing, man, he's been so quick. Like Barber, wow, the job he did at Barber, the job he did this weekend, he wrapped the thing up in turn one, and then go straight back on it first run in qualifying like it never happened.
Especially on I would say the strength right now on the permanent road courses has been great. He's learning quickly; he's a smart guy so he learned quickly. Bit by bit you see him get rid of his weaknesses, and he's smart and he's taken full advantage of the fact that he's a member of the team, the Ganassi team and all the stuff that he's got available to him, whether it's experience or the engineering group or equipment at his disposal. He's taking full advantage of it.
And as I said, I just thought this weekend, he's driven fantastically, and the race today yeah, they called the right strategy, yeah, but he executed it and he did a really great job. Full marks to him.
He hates it when we call him Charlie Murphy or ask him a question. Say, 'hey, Charlie Murphy,' when he comes in here, he loves that.
Q. Is there talk about coming out of the pits and the battle there with Charlie, just if you see it coming, did you sense it, or just how it played out.
SIMON PAGENAUD: I knew it was going to be close, but our friend, Viso, again, was in the middle of the racetrack and racing the leader, so that didn't help. It is what it is. It's racing. But it's frustrating when there's no need for it really.
But if it wasn't for Viso, I think I could have kept my lead for at least longer. But Charlie was really strong, anyways. I don't know if I could have kept him behind.
But it certainly didn't help. But, you know, I gave it 100%, so I can't really be disappointed in the situation. I never backed off. I always tried my hardest and it is what it is.
I think today was Charlie's day, but it's important, also, in the championship to score points like we did today with the HP team. So I can't be disappointed about today. I think starting eighth and having such a good race is tremendous.
Q. Kind of compare, obviously you come from the sports car world; kind of compare or contrast competing at mid Ohio in a sports car to competing at Mid Ohio in an IndyCar.
SIMON PAGENAUD: It's actually quite similar to be honest, apart from the weight of the car. The IndyCars are nimble through section five, six, seven, eight and nine, it's very quick through there. But the downforce on the sports car is very impressive through turn one and turn 11. Here with an IndyCar, you slide a lot more, but you can catch it, where sports car, if you try, you end up in the wall.
So it's a very different feel, but the speed is similar, and both cars are very enjoyable. The weight is the biggest difference, and the way the tires behave, because it's completely different tires, as well. It's been fun to come here with different cars.
I was lucky enough to drive a Champ Car in 2007 testing here, and then I did an LMP2 with Gil de Ferran and LMP1 and came back with an LMP2 and then IndyCar.
So it's been fun to come with different cars every year. It's probably the first time I come with the same car two years in a row, so I enjoy it. I really enjoy this track.
Q. The decision to go from two to three stops, was that something that you maybe asked for, or once the team made the decision, you questioned or were glad to see it?
DARIO FRANCHITTI: No, I kind of made my feelings clear that I thought sitting there trying to save fuel was maybe not the way to go. But the guys had already made the decision.
They said, hey they came on the radio and said, hey, if you can get around the guys in front, go for it. And I went to make a move on Scott, and it was not going to happen easily.
But the next best option was to then pit and get out of that strategy. And then as soon as I did it, they were like, thank God for them and then I was like P 10 or something, and I thought, ooohh, this is going to be tough. And then bit by bit, we were able to run four to five laps and get by a couple of guys and ended up on the podium.
I tend not to question their decisions. They have a lot more information than me and they have won me a lot of races by making a lot of calls, so I don't question it. I just get on with it and do what they tell me.
Q. So you will be coming back to Target Chip Ganassi next year
DARIO FRANCHITTI: Just to kind of the answer I was asked a question yesterday, would I like to come back, and I said, definitely. So the question was then changed to attached to my answer, if you know what I mean.
I would love to come back next year. Chip would like me to come back. Target would like me to come back. The team would like me to come back. So we are all on the same page, but we haven't anything to announce yet.
Q. Thank you for the clarification. So assuming you do comeback next year, obviously you're still competitive, how many years will we see Dario Franchitti behind the wheel of an IndyCar?
DARIO FRANCHITTI: Well, I don't know. Let's try to finish this one strong first and then we'll see.
The important thing to me is that I can still be competitive every week, and I just take it at this point, I just push every week and I think, okay, this weekend is now over. I'll think about what we can learn and then we'll get ready for Sonoma and really I just focus one weekend at a time.
Hopefully everything goes to plan, we get the deal done, and we'll almost start thinking after Fontana about next year, and then we'll see.
But I've said it a lot: If I'm competitive and if I'm enjoying it, then I'll keep doing it. Those two are pretty closely linked. If I'm not competitive, I won't be hanging around long.
Q. A lot of times here, it's follow the leader, but today you did a lot of passing, and Helio did a lot of passing and there was two or three or four drivers in particular that did a lot of passing. What was different?
DARIO FRANCHITTI: Well, if you think, the car now with a little bit less horsepower than we had make ten plus years ago, the straits are longer, you've got longer to get in the draft and start to make a move.
Plus, obviously, the overtake is quite significant. When you only have ten of them, so you have got to use them carefully. It's not like you can just whale away the button all day, so you have to be careful.
You can make things happen, but I don't know about you, but I was concerned with the fact that you're allowed to if to the inside, I thought it was going to be difficult to pass. But I saw a couple of people make moves around the outside into turn four, so it was possible to pass today and I thought that was pretty cool.
SIMON PAGENAUD: Yeah, it was a little bit harder for me to pass, but everybody is running a different level of downforce, maybe we had too much, I don't know. But I passed a few cars, but it was quite difficult still.
But it's not as difficult as it used to be, for sure, I agree with Dario. And yeah, the overtake is a great advantage, great idea to help us making moves. I wish we had more, you know. (Laughter) I don't like to feel like I'm being cheap on the overtake.
Q. You've had obviously your long career, a number of periods where you've had sort of high momentum and low momentum, and if you look at that cycle, having gone through a low momentum period in this season and now coming back into a high momentum swing, can you talk about the mentality of an IndyCar driver as you go through that?
DARIO FRANCHITTI: You can never, unfortunately, you can never have seasons like we had in '09, '10 or '11, or '07, just doesn't always go that way. It would be lovely if it did, but there's always those moments when things just don't click for whatever reason.
And it might be something as simple as things just don't go your way. It could be that. It could be, as I've said, we've had moments where the performance has not been what it should, whether it was me getting a hold of the car or getting the setup right. I take my full part of the responsibility of that, it's not, well, the car's crap. I take full responsibility. I think me, the car, the engineers, we all have to work together to do that. With Iowa and Indy, we just we didn't get that right.
But a lot of the times this year, we had cars, we felt the performance was there. Certainly on the street courses and road courses okay, forget St. Pete, that wasn't quite so good. But you are going to go through those cycles sometimes. The important thing is, keep fighting, don't give up.
And I went through that, I think 2000, 2001, those were tough years. 2006 that sucked, so you definitely go through those ups and downs, and you just keep if you can keep fighting, nothing you can really do I think.
THE MODERATOR: Thank you so much for your time today, congratulations on the podium finishes.
We are now pleased would be joined by today's race winner, Charlie Kimball of Novo Nordisk Chip Ganassi Racing. This is Charlie's first career IZOD IndyCar Series victory. It came in his 45th IndyCar start, and this is only his second start at Mid Ohio. He missed last year's race due to an injury sustained in testing, and this is also the fifth consecutive win for Chip Ganassi Racing here at Mid Ohio.
Congratulations, and talk about today he's race and that pass on Pagenaud in the closing laps.
CHARLIE KIMBALL: I feel like maybe Mid Ohio and I have come to terms. She broke my hand last year and I got a win out of her this year. I think we are just about square now.
Overall, the team made a great call strategy wise early. We talked about it in the meetings this morning with Scott and Dario, and we kind of talked about going to an alternate strategy as much as possible to hedge the bets for Chip so that we had the opportunity for a race win.
We knew we had the car to do it. We knew that we had the pace, consistency. I made that gap in that second stint to be able to come out ahead of Hunter Reay, and at that point then, we just had to modulate the gap to Simon.
I got caught in some traffic I think on that third sting when I was on Blacks and I knew I'm on was on Reds because he started on those primary Firestones. And he came out of the pit lane just ahead of me, and the traffic I was sighting got clear or did get clear of him. And then on the run down the back straight, I was committed to using my last push to pass to get up to him, and went down the inside.
And he said afterwards, he goes: Man, I didn't think you were going to be able to keep it on the track when he went by me. He said, that was pretty late. Which was interesting, because I thought I could have gotten deeper if I needed to. I didn't gather it up as much as I expected I would have to at the exit of four, just sort of settled into it.
We knew the Reds were scrubbed. They weren't new. We used our new sets earlier in the race, and the way the stints worked out, the strategy wasn't it wasn't perfect, but you can't complain too much when you come away with a race win.
Q. Talk about your first win, some hurdles along the way, that you might never have thought you would have gotten here. Just talk about your first win and what it means.
CHARLIE KIMBALL: Well, it's really special. And it's special for me, but it's more importantly special for everyone that's helped me get here, Chip taking the risk on me three years ago as a young rookie; Novo Nordisk, their commitment to my program and the commitment to motorsports to reach their audience over the last five years is fantastic. They have done a lot of activation. We have reached so many people in the diabetes community, the whole race from within campaign that I am a part of and they are the driving factor behind is so much fun to be along with; and the people I get to meet is fantastic.
So to be able to come out today and get a race win is superb. It's so fulfilling for me and for a lot of people. I think that when you're in the meetings with Chip and your first year, he's telling you to go out and just finish the races and learn as much as possible. And you get a lot of flak for not getting the results that you might expect or want to, but you're following the boss's orders.
Now to be able to repay that in my third year; I said at the beginning of the year that the last couple of years, we got the experience, we built the foundation, and as a team, we are ready to win, now we just need to do it.
So to be able to get that win today and this weekend was definite validation for Chip, for the Novo Nordisk Group, my engineer, Brad, and all of the crew.
Q. When Brad made the call, you knew immediately what was up, y'all had talked about it before?
CHARLIE KIMBALL: Yeah, we were pretty clear in the race meeting, and I was maybe getting a little frustrated because I knew that if it came down to fuel mileage, I don't know that there's anyone better in the business than Mr. Dixon at saving fuel and running fast laps, and I don't think I could have hit the fuel numbers he was hitting and do the lap times he was doing.
So when they said, all right, we are going to a three stop, get us while you can, I immediately came back on the switches and from running lean to sort of drop the hammer, get right up behind Scott, our window open, and they pitted. I knew when they came out, came out in clean air, I had to run qualifying laps that whole stint. They were giving me lap time targets and I was doing everything I can to be better than that, because I knew the car was that good.
They could start to see that I think during the middle of that second stint, but the car was just so good, they were giving me a lap time number, and I just had to keep it clean. I had a couple of moments I tried to throw it away, a couple of mistakes, but some of that was in traffic, some of that was just running on the ragged edge to get the gaps I needed to.
Q. Just to be clear, the decision to go to three stops was made after the race started?
CHARLIE KIMBALL: Yeah, we sort of talked about it, we thought we were probably going to go that way depending on how the other guys what the other guys looked like.
We actually expected the Top 5 or six to run like rabbits, run out hard, and then if they got a yellow, back into a two stop strategy. But then when it looked like everyone was trying to make the mileage for a two stop race, we thought, all right, we've got the pace here. And on the stand I could run with Dixon pretty decently, getting decent mileage, but not good enough.
So that I that we knew if we could get clean air and I think that's kind of what they were waiting for on the stand. We were not committed to it, until he saw what the guys up front were doing and where that first stop would put us. If it put us in clean air, he was going to commit to it and we were going to get after it.
Q. How often in your career have you felt like the backup plan, and then what was it like to be Dario said, basically wished we decided earlier to do what you guys did. Was it nice to sort of be in the other position this time?
CHARLIE KIMBALL: Well, we put ourselves in that position to be the to hedge the bets because of where we are in the championship. We are 11th, or were 11th coming into today. Scott is fighting for the championship and Dario is well in the Top 10.
So that's pretty clear what our opportunity is. But we knew that with the speed that we had in the car, if we could run flat out and this place, the way race control is running the races, we had the opportunity to go green all day. And you weren't going to get the yellows to make a two stop work.
So I think we kind of played it right and made the call when we needed to make the call for the win, but we had it strongly in our mind that we were going to run three stop race and it only just solidified that when the guys up front were running slower and slower and slower, and we could go out and make hay when we needed to.
Q. One of my enduring memories of this weekend will be yesterday after your crash in practice going by the garage and seeing the crews, I don't know, it may have been all three crews, working on the car. Was it at all close to not be ready yesterday for qualifying?
CHARLIE KIMBALL: I don't know that we would have gotten it done without the help from the 9 and 10 crews. It was you want to talk about a team effort, and that's the epitome of it. There was literally not enough space for me to stand in the garage and watch the progress.
After I got run over three or four times, I was just like, I've got to get out of the way, because there were so many guys. And it was like watching a symphony. The guy is reaching for a tool and someone putting it in their hand. It was an incredible display of team work.
That's bred from the hours in the shop, working back and forth, the time, sharing data, sharing parts. We really are one team and I don't know that people really understood that until yesterday, because I didn't know we didn't finish setup we didn't even use our own setup pads.
We rolled on to the 10 car pad because our pad was up against the wall in a stirrup and the crashed car was in the way. So we didn't even have enough time to set up the pad and do a proper set up. We went to the 10 car and got the numbers close and rolled out for qualifying.
So it was close, for sure, and it wouldn't have been in the ballpark without the help from the 9 and 10 through.
Q. Earlier you mentioned you made push to pass going in, was that the last one, which one was it? And panel node mentioned he kind of wished he had more, just in general, not just for today's race. Can you address both?
CHARLIE KIMBALL: Well, I think we are racing drivers I'll address the second one first. We are racing drivers; we always want more horsepower and to get the boost advantage from the overtake button is always more fun.
Having said that, it was my last overtake, and the team I was burning through them trying to get a gap so that I didn't have to go by him when he came into pit lane for his last stop. It didn't work out. I got caught up in traffic. When I went through turn one, actually ran off while he came through pit lane, I went in the dirt a little bit, but kept it booted, got on the overtake. And the overtake actually timed out about halfway down the back straight but I had the momentum out of the corner and hot tires to be able to draft up and go by him into the corner.
So once I was committed to the inside, I had the move. I made the joke earlier that it was 50 percent momentum and 75 percent commitment, you know, into that corner. It's for the race win; you're always going to take a bigger risk and go for it a little harder for the win.
Q. Can you talk about the journey to get here? Did you get here sooner than you expected or did it take you longer than you expected? And also, when they announced the expansion of Ganassi to four cars, it was kind of like, and the other team has Graham Rahal, and. Talk about overcoming a lot.
CHARLIE KIMBALL: I think as far as timing, I talked about the growth of not just the team, but also the growth of me as a driver, and I think it's right on the time frame that Chip laid out for us; that we had a clear understanding going into the first year that it was a sort of figure it out, see if the program was going to work.
And with the expansion program, we knew that the second year, this year, was going to be the year to start winning and start putting the results on the board and start getting inside the Top 10 in points.
To be able to validate those sort of trajectories has been really nice. I think if we get the win or we don't today, I think this year has proven that. Getting a win quiets a lot of voices, for sure, especially voices within myself as a driver. Because as a driver, you'd like to win in your first race, right. That's, again, I don't think any of the drivers up and down pit lane are here to finish second.
So to be able to come out and validate it to ourselves is a good thing and I think builds momentum for not just the rest of the season, but, you know, the next few years.
Q. This is a day of also remembering what happened in 2006, and just talk about the journey, that journey, because really it could have changed; you could have given up. Can you talk about that?
CHARLIE KIMBALL: Getting diagnosed actually in 2007, I remember that day being pretty dark. And today is pretty bright.
So it's nice to be able to come back from that, rebuild, and find a whole incredible community to be a part of. The diabetes community is I think one of the strongest out there and the best in the world. And to have Novo Nordisk's support to reach out to that community and prove those message points; that you can still live your dream with diabetes, and the modern insulins, the delivery devices like the NovoLog FlexPen are key to that.
So now, that evolution, it seems like a long time ago, but it's only been five and a half years. In the broad scope of things, five years isn't that long.
So to be now to come five years later and get a race win in what I think is the most competitive open wheel series for newer in the Americas and probably in the world at the minute is pretty fantastic. Especially at a racetrack that I had decent success in Indy Lights, and a fair bit of success in the F2000 championship back in 2003.
So it's a racetrack that I love, and to be able to come back and come back from that dark day and have so much success and be able to give back to that community like this is very fulfilling and very satisfying.
Q. Charlie Kimball or Charlie Murphy?
CHARLIE KIMBALL: I keep trying to convince Dario that's not a thing, but, you know, now that he's renting a place in Indianapolis, I feel it might be a thing. Apparently I've committed to buying him pizza later this week, so we are going to get together for pizza at some point. It's nice to have that relationship with my teammates, Scott and Dario, to have those jokes and to have that relationship is very cool.
Q. In the race, explain, are you getting an insulin pump every now and then? Can you explain how that works in a nutshell? Do you know when you're getting it, like a push to pass type thing?
CHARLIE KIMBALL: Well, it comes down to preparation I do before the race, using the Novo Nordisk FlexPen to take my insulin. I don't wear an insulin pump for multiple reasons: A, the FlexPens work for me and my doctor is really happy with my care. And she always makes sure I get that answer in first, because to her that's the most thing is she's happy with how I'm doing it.
The other thing is there's a lot of challenges to having an insulin pump in a car: The temperature of the insulin under a fire suit; the G loads I don't know if pump companies test their pumps at 3 or 4 Gs around the corner, which here, turn one, turn four, it is pretty heavily loaded; so I might be getting insulin when I don't need it.
So anyways, it comes down it the preparation I do using the FlexPen. And the in car, I wear a continuous monitor so I can keep track of my blood glucose. Today, it was level, stable, exactly where I wanted it, right in the range I like to be, and I checked it, just about as often as I checked fuel mileage when we were running flat out, so every five, six, ten, 15 laps, at the end, I knew it was on target and so all I had to do was keep an eye on it, but there were no surprises there.
Q. Did you get an injection after the race
CHARLIE KIMBALL: No, I haven't, because I haven't eaten yet. I'm getting a little hungry, so if we can hurry this up all joking aside, when at the moment, I'm still stable.
So if the race went on for another hour, I would still be good, because the Indy 500 is three, three and a half hours, and last year was a lot hotter than it was here today.
And as Dario pointed out on the podium, today was pretty physical. Even as cool as it was, when you're running flat out, doing 66, 67 laps around here, it's pretty tough. I feel good, and it wasn't an issue and hopefully I'll get a good dinner at some point and at that point bolus using my FlexPen.
Q. You've had a couple second police finishes this year, over the past few years you've been getting better and better, but did you expect to win this weekend? Obviously you want to win every weekends, but did you think coming into the weekend, I've got this in the bag, or did you think a win was still maybe a few races off?
CHARLIE KIMBALL: Well, I think at the moment, in the IZOD IndyCar Series, if you come into a race weekend thinking, I've got a race in the bag, you're fooling yourself. It's way too competitive to be thinking that anyone has it locked up at any race weekend at any point.
Having said that, we definitely looked at a few races that we believed we could have really strong showings. Barber, Long Beach, Indianapolis, Pocono, Toronto, here, and some of the races later this year. But we sort of really focused, knowing that we are going to get a test day, and the car was quick last year and the teams’ cars are traditionally quick here. We knew if we could put a good, solid, clean weekend together, then we had a shot at the win.
And you know, I think the thing is, once you're consistently running inside the Top 10, then you'll get a Top 5. When you're consistently running close to the Top 5, you'll get podiums. When you're podium'ing every now and again, then you're going to pick up a win. And we have sort of taken that next step, not just me as a driver, but us as a team. I think we came into this weekend ready to win, and when the situation arose, we took advantage of that.
THE MODERATOR: Charlie, thank you so much for your time today. Congratulations on the first win.
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